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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 8, 2007 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Interesting GD trivia question(s) answers (DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T YET NOTICED THE QUESTIONS THREAD

Well, there weren't many takers on my earlier trivia question: "For each studio album, which song was the first to be performed live?" But in case anyone's curious, here are the answers so far as I've been able to figure it.

The Grateful Dead: Cold Rain and Snow (2-25-66)
Anthem of the Sun: Caution (also 2-25-66)
Aoxomoxoa: China Cat Sunflower (1-17-68)
Workingman's Dead: Casey Jones (5-23-69), followed by Dire Wolf (6-7-69) and High Time (6-21-69)
American Beauty: Friend of the Devil (3-20-70), followed by Candyman (4-3-70) and Attics of my Life (5-14-70)
Wake of the Flood: Stella Blue (6-17-72)
Mars Hotel: a tie between China Doll, Loose Lucy, and US Blues if you accept Wave That Flag as an equivalent (all on 2-9-73)
Blues for Allah: a tie between Blues for Allah and Stronger than Dirt (both on 3-23-75), but see below
Shakedown Street: Good Lovin (5-19-66) if you accept Pigpen versions as equivalent (I don't), or New Minglewood Blues (7-12-76, assuming that's the first time the new lyrics were used--I haven't double-checked, were they already using the new lyrics in 1971?), or Fire on the Mountain (3-18-77) if you don't accept any of the pre-release versions of Minglewood as "All New"
Go to Heaven: Don't Ease Me In (7-16-66)
In the Dark: Touch of Grey (9-15-82, but I'm taking AshesRising's word on this)
Built to Last: ? (I didn't check)

Blues for Allah's a poser, as partial Stronger Than Dirt jams appeared as early as 2-22-74, and there's a reasonably complete jam of Slipknot on 2-23-74, at the end of Eyes of the World. But if you're talking official, ready for prime time versions, I think it would be 3-23-75.

If you haven't heard the 5-23-69 Casey Jones, check it out, as it's got a very rough, primitive sound (as WT noted in the earlier thread).

And if anyone cares, I thought of this question listening to the 7-21-72 Stella Blue and being surprised that it was played so early.

Now for an interesting follow-on question: Can you guess which track from American Beauty was the LAST to be first performed live (that is, which track had the latest first performance)?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 8, 2007 12:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: correction

Unless I missed something, the first Casey Jones was actually 6-22-69, which would make it #3.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 8, 2007 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: correction

Interesting. setlists.net has the following setlist for 5-23-69:

05/23/69
Seminole Indian Village - Hollywood, FL

Set 1:
Dancin' In The Streets
Casey Jones
Hard To Handle
Morning Dew
Me And My Uncle
Dark Star
St. Stephen
The Eleven

Deadbase only has from Hard to Handle on. The db.etree listing for the show does have Dancin' and Casey Jones, with two sources (74 and 12223). But (the plot thickens) the 74 source is a broken link and the 12223 source only has from Hard to Handle on. If indeed there was no Casey Jones that night, then Dire Wolf would take the prize for Workingman's Dead. In puzzling over this, I realized that the early CJ I had been thinking of was 6-27-69.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 8, 2007 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Casey Jones correction

You'll notice here on LMA the provided setlist for 5-23-69 also has Dancin & KCJ to start, but the actual show opens with Hard to Handle. Probably the fake setlist comes from an old tape where someone added the 6-22-69 openers Dancin & KCJ to the 5-23-69 show. The 2 songs are the only part of that show that have been available from the SBD, unfortunately. Easily my favorite KCJ, although they kept the lilting intro for a while.
(And both shows are great! Which is the most important thing.)

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-06-22.sbd.kaplan.17892.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 8, 2007 7:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Casey Jones correction

Yes, I'd noticed that about the LMA listing. Great suggestion about 6-22. I'll bet that's it. Looks like Dire Wolf wins! As a longtime fan of the song, I couldn't be happier. I'm listening to the 6-22 KCJ right now (while watching the Yankees suck).

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Oct 8, 2007 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Interesting GD trivia question(s) answers (DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T YET NOTICED THE QUESTIONS THREAD

the last American Beauty to debut live?

I'd guess Til The Morning Comes, and the Phil Lesh song?

Did they ever do Operator live?

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 8, 2007 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Interesting GD trivia question(s) answers (DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T YET NOTICED THE QUESTIONS THREAD

DEBUT! That's the word I was looking for.

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Poster: Robony Date: Oct 8, 2007 1:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Interesting GD trivia question(s) answers (DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T YET NOTICED THE QUESTIONS THREAD

Operator 8-18-70

BOR last to be played 10/9/72

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 8, 2007 1:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: correction #2

Operator was done 8-18-70, which also I think has the first taped versions of Truckin, Ripple & Brokedown Palace.
But Box of Rain was done 9-17-70 (in the acoustic set).
And Til the Morning Comes is the late straggler at 9-18-70.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 8, 2007 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: correction #2

Interesting. Both deadbase and setlists have the same short and presumably incomplete setlists for 9-17-70:

09/17/70
Fillmore East - New York City, NY

Set 1:
Deep Elem Blues
Truckin'
To Lay Me Down

Set 2:
Dark Star
St. Stephen
Good Lovin'
Drums
Good Lovin'

db.etree has a much longer setlist:

Set I
GD acoustic: Truckin' False Start, banter, Truckin', Monkey And The Engineer, Dark Hollow, Friend Of The Devil, Ripple, Brokedown Palace, Box Of Rain, Rosalie McFall, Cold Jordan > Swing Low Sweet Chariot
Set II
(NRPS set: Six Days On The Road, I Don't Know You, Superman, Henry, Portland Woman, Cecilia)
Set III
GD electric: Sugar Magnolia, Dark Star > Saint Stephen > Drums > Good Lovin' > Drums > Good Lovin'

db.etree lists five sources, but all five are broken links. I haven't heard this show. Has anyone else and can confirm that there is in fact a Box of Rain? If so, could you double-check the txt file that came with the files to make sure none of it is filler from another night? I ask because this would be the only Box of Rain performance on record before 10-9-72.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 8, 2007 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: correction #2

Okay, I'm listening to the LMA stream right now:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-09-17.aud.warner.16090.sbeok.shnf

It's not bad. I wonder why they shelved it for another two years. Of course, Phil sounds a bit like a basset hound.

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Poster: Robony Date: Oct 8, 2007 1:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: correction #2

Correct - the jury will disregard